Curse

Pure Disasta · Oct 31, 2007, 04:51 AM // 04:51

No its not Anets fault people dont want to get out of their comfort zones for certain builds. If you ping you can always get posotive feedback about what to change and how to better them anyways. And its easy to share builds with your friends and teamates.

Kusandaa · Oct 31, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03

I really love that feature, one of the best created by ANet IMHO...

1. Enables you to share and save builds, fast and easily;
2. Lets your team know very quickly what you're running, if they bother looking;
3. If people have no idea what they're doing, you can spot 'em easily, tell 'em to change some stuff or kick them if it REALLY doesn't make any sense.

Doesn't mean I don't allow non-cookie cutter builds - some builds out there work really nicely, and I try to run different stuff myself. An example would be running N/R b/p instead of a R/N b/p in Tombs; I don't bother pugging it anymore and if I have to pug a few spots, you bet I warn people I'm running a variation on a common build.

But TBH, as long as it's effective... I'll let 'em run whatever they want. Won't run SF nuker against destroyers, and not everyone will run the same nuking build (I've had air, water and earth nukers... all work fine).

jezz · Oct 31, 2007, 06:39 AM // 06:39

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

lol, look, its a build from 2005.

if this build works for him/her great dont flame him over his build..
its really immature

try add something to the discussion..maybe something useful and positive

bungusmaximus · Oct 31, 2007, 06:47 AM // 06:47

A reasonably good player should be able to keep a party alive with that monk bar, I wouldn't kick someone over it, even if it isn't optimal. But it's rather simple, If someone runs a build that gets the job done, and a party leader can't acknowledge that, you have a very big chance the party leader is baed. If it's for FoW though I strongly recommend good hex removal :P.

What gets the job done can ofc vary depending where you are. I hate nothing more then making a party with people that are too stubborn to change 1 or 2 skills even when I'm sure skill x will be better instead of skill y. Like peope that refuse to bring condi remove in Tahnakai Temple and pinnging all the time: I have blind on me!

I love the feature, when I pvp people sometimes give me a build, and some of those I saved because they were just good, saves me a lot of puzzling on my own, time doesn't grow on trees you know.

Dr Strangelove · Oct 31, 2007, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by jezz

if this build works for him/her great dont flame him over his build..
its really immature

try add something to the discussion..maybe something useful and positive

Something useful is telling him that his build is bad.

You are not a beautiful snowflake. You do not create unique ideas better than 3 million other players combined. Your pet build that you run everywhere is not the best thing since bacon. In fact, if you refuse to ever change your build, it's probably terrible. Saying "my build has worked so far" does not mean it's good, or that it will be good in the future. I could get completely smashed before I drive every day, and even if I hadn't crashed, it would still be a bad idea.

Refusing to work as a team doesn't make the party leader requesting changes a jerk, it makes you a self-centered, arrogant prick.

Now, party leaders can be idiots too, and that's something else. However, if you're completely inflexible and incapable of defending your build, you are a bad player and you are killing your only way of becoming better.

Moving on to why that build is bad:

Lacks any real prot
Lacks party-wide healing (LoD)
Lacks condition removal
Lacks hex removal
Lacks energy management

free_fall · Oct 31, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

I was in a group doing Sunjiang the other day and there was this air ele standing around saying "will anyone take an air ele for mission?"

Our leader invited him, asked him to ping his build, kicked him after seeing it, then commented to us that his build sucked. Since there were only 3 of us (with heroes), I suggested taking him back, if only for another RP to help carry, but we went without him.

Myself, I don't really mind taking a player with what might be considered a "weak" build along - one, even two, such usually won't affect the outcome if the others in the group are strong players (and the weaker ones don't do stupid stuff, like over-agro'ing).

I'll never for get doing Bloodstone Fen (iirc) on my Canthan ranger and taking along a lvl 14 Mo/Nec - an MM Nec: 3 heals, res, and 3 MM skils + 1 other death skill. lol I'd have to say that's the worst build I've ever encountered.

Fortunately, my R carried VS, HB and Mending - I ended up doing more healing than she did. I had Koss, Sousuke and Olias along, so we got through it ok and had some fun, to boot.

Holly Herro · Oct 31, 2007, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

...If it's for FoW though I strongly recommend good hex removal :P ...

When I monk for FoW, I just bring Dwaynas kiss.

And I think this is a great system. If people get kicked or anything, then you got a really stupid leader.

Abbel Calima · Oct 31, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

I like this feature, if i decide to group up with random people i can see how skilled they are. If it is a newb bar, i can help them out to make a slightly better skillbar.
But sometimes there are some ignorant people who dont listen to advice, and that makes me sad.

Ofcourse you can judge on people how skilled they are by looking at their skillbar. I often come across standard wiki bars and if i tell them they should better change a certain skill because it would come in handy in that certain mission, they would say 'FU NOOB! i got it from wiki, it's 1337sauce', this would certainly be a noob right?

Or what about using SF bars in glints challenge, that makes me lol.

elektra_lucia · Oct 31, 2007, 09:39 AM // 09:39

Can I see the skill bars what the person is kicking (and please don't lie about them).

Oh wait...

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Originally Posted by Rexion

if its such a bad build,then why did the FoW group I was in never wipe?

as i said before, i'm not complaining about being kicked... i was talking about it happening in general.

You were serious? LoL. Rebirth on a monk, w00. Ok that screams of idiot, I don't care what PVE'r says 'res works on a PVE monk'. No condition removal, no hex removal. WoH, it's out dated for FoW. Use LoD. No prot spirit, it's nice. Doesn't need high attributes.

Why did the group never wipe? I thought you said they didn't get to play

; however, if you did get to play with this, and it didn't wipe. Maybe because everyone else didn't suck at the game like he did?

P.S. Put heal breeze and mending on the bar already.

~ Dan ~ · Oct 31, 2007, 09:42 AM // 09:42

Being able to see that someone has a poor skillbar because they are a poor player is a po... good addition imo.

Rexion · Oct 31, 2007, 09:48 AM // 09:48

see, i knew this would become a flame rave.

Faer · Oct 31, 2007, 09:50 AM // 09:50

On the rare occasions that I run around with randoms, and they ask me to ping my skillbar, I never have any problems. I just run what I'd run in GvG (or DoA, lulz) and go with the flow.

So honestly, I can't relate. There are pricks in this game. There are also really bad players. Sometimes, there are really bad players that are also pricks.

But it's okay, because Koss will always love us.

undeadgun · Oct 31, 2007, 09:52 AM // 09:52

rebirth on a monk is always good in PvE

Rexion · Oct 31, 2007, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Why did the group never wipe? I thought you said they didn't get to play

; however, if you did get to play with this, and it didn't wipe. Maybe because everyone else didn't suck at the game like he did?

P.S. Put heal breeze and mending on the bar already.

for one, if you actually know how to read, i was NEVER talking about myself being kicked from groups...

and for two, i'm not a Wammo supporter, i think they are the stupidest thing next to "WTB RS account" spammers.... they could die in FoW for all I care

the Puppeteer · Oct 31, 2007, 09:57 AM // 09:57

so you would like a smiting monk with lightning hammer & aftershock in your team? gg

Bankai · Oct 31, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07

I sometimes ask people to ping their build, just to make sure they're not horrible. I've been doing some Glint's challenge lately, and you get to see horrible builds. For example, I like to know if the ele we're taking, which is supposed to be killing things, doesn't have a full tank build with no attack skills (happened to me before). Or, if one of the necros really is an MM and not an SS (also happened before) or a Discord necro (idem dito). I've also noticed that people only make general remarks, like "Can you take a little more healing" or "I've already got that skill with me, can you bring another one". No harm in that.

Etta · Oct 31, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by Rexion

Back before ANet allowed people to ping their build to the chat, it seemed groups were formed easier and had no hassle.

And 9 times out of 10, they failed. Fire Storm Monk, go go.

upier · Oct 31, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

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Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack

Because FoW is easy.

But people like playing there.
And the build will work.
Are there better builds?
Yes there are.

Not everyone strives for perfection. Sub-optimal things work. And it's lovely that they do. It makes the game varied.
Personally I never ran LoD if I ran healing. HB is just more fun!
And I was able to keep people in perfectly fine condition in the places I monked.
Fun is a huge issue for a lot of people playing PvE.

On-topic:
I like the ping-thingy.
I rarely use it and when I do I sometimes do get kicked from the team because of it - but it's still something that made the game better.

bungusmaximus · Oct 31, 2007, 10:38 AM // 10:38

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

LOL.

When you PUG, rebirth is always a good idea, 7 skills are more then enough to keep people alive. When playing with people you know, don't bother about it.

jezz · Oct 31, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

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Originally Posted by Holly Herro

When I monk for FoW, I just bring Dwaynas kiss.

And I think this is a great system. If people get kicked or anything, then you got a really stupid leader.

um silly question but you only bring one spell? or did i misunderstand you..